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		<title>By: Blacksheepboy</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jun 2010 03:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a year late. Go figures. Well, I find this interesting. I update a personal journal almost every night and have come across some interesting things over the last year of recording the &quot;raw material&quot; of my mind (my purely honest thoughts). Of course, I think all of my &quot;discoveries&quot; are just redundant for they have all been &quot;discovered&quot; before, over the countless generations of mankind.

I suppose I need to get back into studying human psychology. But I know it&#039;ll be a wash anyway. It&#039;s all too anti-septic for me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a year late. Go figures. Well, I find this interesting. I update a personal journal almost every night and have come across some interesting things over the last year of recording the &#8220;raw material&#8221; of my mind (my purely honest thoughts). Of course, I think all of my &#8220;discoveries&#8221; are just redundant for they have all been &#8220;discovered&#8221; before, over the countless generations of mankind.</p>
<p>I suppose I need to get back into studying human psychology. But I know it&#8217;ll be a wash anyway. It&#8217;s all too anti-septic for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Michal</title>
		<link>https://mm.soldat.pl/humanities/men-machines/comment-page-1#comment-84775</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 22:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When writing that post I was about 75% for determinism.
Nowadays I&#039;m 98%, hence this post.

Everything is at it should be. No other way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When writing that post I was about 75% for determinism.<br />
Nowadays I&#8217;m 98%, hence this post.</p>
<p>Everything is at it should be. No other way.</p>
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		<title>By: SonOfBeer</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 03:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;what is being done, and
particularly what 
has already been done
in one way, cannot be, and could not have
been, done in another way.‘
&quot;

Michal, this might bring some memories of an older post you&#039;ve made named &quot;It&#039;s a joke&quot;. ( http://mm.soldat.pl/?p=109 )

Here&#039;s a very similar line :

&quot;SonOfBeer :

******
When we make a choice, the person that we are could not have made another choice, cuz :

The choice’s been made by who we are, in a certain place in time IN WHICH we COULDN’T have been with another mindset that would have chosen differently.
*****
&quot;
So in the end, we are innocent to what we ARE, but not to what we DO. And even if what we DO can change what we ARE, (**it is still what we ARE that determines what we will DO**).
&quot;

Sweet indeed]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;what is being done, and<br />
particularly what<br />
has already been done<br />
in one way, cannot be, and could not have<br />
been, done in another way.‘<br />
&#8221;</p>
<p>Michal, this might bring some memories of an older post you&#8217;ve made named &#8220;It&#8217;s a joke&#8221;. ( <a href="http://mm.soldat.pl/?p=109" rel="nofollow">http://mm.soldat.pl/?p=109</a> )</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a very similar line :</p>
<p>&#8220;SonOfBeer :</p>
<p>******<br />
When we make a choice, the person that we are could not have made another choice, cuz :</p>
<p>The choice’s been made by who we are, in a certain place in time IN WHICH we COULDN’T have been with another mindset that would have chosen differently.<br />
*****<br />
&#8221;<br />
So in the end, we are innocent to what we ARE, but not to what we DO. And even if what we DO can change what we ARE, (**it is still what we ARE that determines what we will DO**).<br />
&#8221;</p>
<p>Sweet indeed</p>
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		<title>By: shurcooL</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 06:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hard determinism?

Yea, there are a few assumptions being used, but it has some merit.

Namely that all the subatomic particles must behave 100% deterministically... Which might or might not be the case.

But yea, I like the theory too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hard determinism?</p>
<p>Yea, there are a few assumptions being used, but it has some merit.</p>
<p>Namely that all the subatomic particles must behave 100% deterministically&#8230; Which might or might not be the case.</p>
<p>But yea, I like the theory too.</p>
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		<title>By: Wolfmilf</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 13:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@TLD

Actually, before Big Bang, time didn&#039;t exist. Hence no, nothing caused it.
It was the first thing to ever happen, ever. Which makes me want to say, I&#039;m very clever.

Lol, sorry about that. I had to make it rhyme xD

But no, really... The thing about the universe and even time itself is... I&#039;m awesome. :&#124;

I mean think about it :O
Look at my awesome name of awesomeness :)
Now suck my finger. Good, thank you.

No, seriously. People always come with an argument about what caused, and what came before the Big Bang. The answer is simply nothing. The universe just started at the first frame like a flash movie (not an interactive one) with 3d glasses. Or if we forward the time about 50 years, virtual reality made possible by nanobots being in your brain, blocking some signals and activating others, creating a whole matrixy feel for you (Think interactive porn).

That is all (*sits in lotus position*)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@TLD</p>
<p>Actually, before Big Bang, time didn&#8217;t exist. Hence no, nothing caused it.<br />
It was the first thing to ever happen, ever. Which makes me want to say, I&#8217;m very clever.</p>
<p>Lol, sorry about that. I had to make it rhyme xD</p>
<p>But no, really&#8230; The thing about the universe and even time itself is&#8230; I&#8217;m awesome. 😐</p>
<p>I mean think about it :O<br />
Look at my awesome name of awesomeness <img src="https://mm.soldat.pl/wp-includes/images/smilies/simple-smile.png" alt=":)" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /><br />
Now suck my finger. Good, thank you.</p>
<p>No, seriously. People always come with an argument about what caused, and what came before the Big Bang. The answer is simply nothing. The universe just started at the first frame like a flash movie (not an interactive one) with 3d glasses. Or if we forward the time about 50 years, virtual reality made possible by nanobots being in your brain, blocking some signals and activating others, creating a whole matrixy feel for you (Think interactive porn).</p>
<p>That is all (*sits in lotus position*)</p>
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		<title>By: SpiltCoffee</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[*makes a coffee and spills it on TLD*

Oops.

&quot;Figure out EXACTLY how the universe works.&quot;

So can you basically sum this up to saying that asking &quot;why&quot; is useless?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*makes a coffee and spills it on TLD*</p>
<p>Oops.</p>
<p>&#8220;Figure out EXACTLY how the universe works.&#8221;</p>
<p>So can you basically sum this up to saying that asking &#8220;why&#8221; is useless?</p>
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		<title>By: TLD</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TLD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 22:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;For me one of the most interesting things to do in life is actually the search for an answer for these questions. Figure out EXACTLY how the universe works. Code it into an object-oriented programming language like c++ and press Compile.&quot;

holy shit, so even besides creating the most awesome game atm,

you&#039;re a god aswell???

awesome, make me your coffee!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;For me one of the most interesting things to do in life is actually the search for an answer for these questions. Figure out EXACTLY how the universe works. Code it into an object-oriented programming language like c++ and press Compile.&#8221;</p>
<p>holy shit, so even besides creating the most awesome game atm,</p>
<p>you&#8217;re a god aswell???</p>
<p>awesome, make me your coffee!</p>
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		<title>By: Michal</title>
		<link>https://mm.soldat.pl/humanities/men-machines/comment-page-1#comment-82245</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 19:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt; Is there a difference between human and a thermometer for instance? &lt;/i&gt;

According to Gurdjieff, there is no difference between most of humanity and a thermometer. Some individuals attain enlightenment though and can be called conscious, something different then an object.

&lt;i&gt;$able: Why do we actually look for cars before crossing the road? &lt;/i&gt;

$able is right on. Read it again. You look for a car before crossing the road because you are a machine that has been programmed to survive. There isn&#039;t much more here. It is never your decision to watch out for danger, to look for the cars. It never was. Animals/machines just work this way.

&lt;i&gt;I wonder what would happen if we were to develop a mathematical simulation of the events of the universe, from start to end. Would we end up just creating our universe again? (matrix idea ftw!)&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt; The question which this discussion comes down to is imho:
can we actually find out what life / the universe is actually about or how it works? is it possible for us to find it out and describe it? &lt;/i&gt;

For me one of the most interesting things to do in life is actually the search for an answer for these questions. Figure out EXACTLY how the universe works. Code it into an object-oriented programming language like c++ and press Compile.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> Is there a difference between human and a thermometer for instance? </i></p>
<p>According to Gurdjieff, there is no difference between most of humanity and a thermometer. Some individuals attain enlightenment though and can be called conscious, something different then an object.</p>
<p><i>$able: Why do we actually look for cars before crossing the road? </i></p>
<p>$able is right on. Read it again. You look for a car before crossing the road because you are a machine that has been programmed to survive. There isn&#8217;t much more here. It is never your decision to watch out for danger, to look for the cars. It never was. Animals/machines just work this way.</p>
<p><i>I wonder what would happen if we were to develop a mathematical simulation of the events of the universe, from start to end. Would we end up just creating our universe again? (matrix idea ftw!)</i></p>
<p><i> The question which this discussion comes down to is imho:<br />
can we actually find out what life / the universe is actually about or how it works? is it possible for us to find it out and describe it? </i></p>
<p>For me one of the most interesting things to do in life is actually the search for an answer for these questions. Figure out EXACTLY how the universe works. Code it into an object-oriented programming language like c++ and press Compile.</p>
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		<title>By: rfreak</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 23:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s no point in understanding the meaning of life if it serves us nothing... The meaning could be depressive. Very depressive.

Example: What if we learn that the Universe will end with nothing after. Would that be depressing?.

Let the time flow because idea&#039;s flow trough time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s no point in understanding the meaning of life if it serves us nothing&#8230; The meaning could be depressive. Very depressive.</p>
<p>Example: What if we learn that the Universe will end with nothing after. Would that be depressing?.</p>
<p>Let the time flow because idea&#8217;s flow trough time.</p>
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		<title>By: depape</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[depape]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i like the post, very inspiring.
The question which this discussion comes down to is imho:
can we actually find out what life / the universe is actually about or how it works? is it possible for us to find it out and describe it?

Because... lets say i write a simulation program with a lot of AI bots, very good intelligent bots. They sure could find out, analyse and describe a lot of things going on in the simulation program but could they find out their purpose in it? Could they find out the way the whole program is written and how it works? Could they find out how they work?

Is it possible to write an AI that can actually understand itself? ...

Of course its not very natural to see humans as some kind of AI bots, but if we are no AI bots, what are we? I can&#039;t say it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i like the post, very inspiring.<br />
The question which this discussion comes down to is imho:<br />
can we actually find out what life / the universe is actually about or how it works? is it possible for us to find it out and describe it?</p>
<p>Because&#8230; lets say i write a simulation program with a lot of AI bots, very good intelligent bots. They sure could find out, analyse and describe a lot of things going on in the simulation program but could they find out their purpose in it? Could they find out the way the whole program is written and how it works? Could they find out how they work?</p>
<p>Is it possible to write an AI that can actually understand itself? &#8230;</p>
<p>Of course its not very natural to see humans as some kind of AI bots, but if we are no AI bots, what are we? I can&#8217;t say it.</p>
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